What Ryan Hout Said to LeGarrette Blount (allegedly)
September 9, 2009 by dwil
If you are a thinking person you could probably guess what word or words would have been the tipping point for Boise State head coach Chris Petersen to grab defensive lineman Ryan Blount and for Oregon running back LeGarrette Blount to pop Hout in the jaw A respected source with a brother very close to the Boise State team tells SOMM that the magic word was, “nigger.”
As Blount walked by Boise State team members, Hout tapped blount on his helmet and them smacked Blount’s shoulder pads. The Broncos sophomore is reported to have said, “Hey nigger, we just beat your ass.” Petersen immediately grabbed Hout and Blount took one step, turned. and hit Hout.
In this light it is unconscionable for Hout not to receive any public punishment from Petersen.
And it is racist, albeit predictable, for Petersen to keep quiet about his player’s racist words.
Finally, since Boise State is not a BCS conference member, the actions of athletes and coaches at Boise State come under the purview of the NCAA. Where is the NCAA on this matter? Silent and nowhere to be found, of course.
For this Blount is remove from the Ducks team while Hout and his head coach skate away unscathed and unblemished. And Boise State rises to number 12 in the most recent polls.
That is called “just-us.”
Chris Dufresne of the LA Times has written a couple of columns that referred to the incident, putting a greater share of the blame on Oregon’s coach Kelly. Among the points he cites is how incredible it was that Oregon sent Blount alone on a pattern towards the BSU sidelines on the game’s final play.
Any reason Blount wouldn’t have brought this up?
i guess I’m just not feeling you guys on this one… Probably an excessive punishment for him, but dude acted nuts. Even if he’d just walked off the field afterwords I don’t see how this would’ve blown up like this.
Trouc,
If Blount brings this up, a white sportswriter or Whitlock will say “the n-word is used in rap music, so it’s OK for white people to use it any way they like.”
Paul Mooney: “White folks been sayin’ nigger for years, and now I can’t say it?? Ain’t THAT a bitch??”
If Hout said it, he deserved to get stole in the jaw. And if he’s a man, he needs to go in front of his black teammates and tell them exactly what he said. But Hout’s probably not a man. So fuck him.
Ummm trouc you do realize that Troy Aikman called one of his WRs a N-word on the sideline once and that never was mention.
Bill Romanowski even refered to some of the black players in the NFL as N-words and that never blew up either.
Both incidents the media refused to cover it. Yet the teams had all player meetings over the comments.
I can believe it happened. Especially the way the teams are covering Hunts comments up. Plus add to the fact the way that Hunts coach grabbed him after his comments. Plus lets not forget how the other 2 black players around Hunt did nothing.
Yeah I can believe this went down like that.
Exactly Phil I was going to say the same exact thing. They will blame rap or other black athletes instead of blaming Hunt.
Shit look how the Imus situation was handled. Oprah still got me pissed off the way her ass handled that.
And great quote by Mooney.
Oh and the player that Aikman called a racial slur to was kevin williams after he dropped a pass.
Actually Aikman called him a dumb N.
Not to change the subject D. But what was the suspension for the Nebraska coach that punched that fan after that game. As far as I remember the fan had to be taken out on a stretcher.
I think that either happened at the end of the 90′s or the begining of this decade.
Origin,
The pendulum has swung to political correctness so that it benefits white folks that want to be able to slur black people and claim unfairness when rightly labelled a racist or if they catch a righteous beat-down.
I work with and know a LOT of white folks, Southern white folks, too. I’m well-respected in my profession. Now, I don’t throw the n-word around as far as a familiarity thing with other blacks in mixed company; therefore, if you’re white and around me and you want to use it, I can guarantee in and of certainty that you’ve never heard ME use the term, and I won’t tolerate a white person using it (in an endearing fashion or otherwise) in my presence.
I have friends that are Polish and they’ll tell “dumb Pollock” jokes till the cows come home, and they beg me to laugh with them. And I reluctantly will. But I also know that, in no way, shape or form, can I call them a “dumb Pollock” and claim familiarity. I can’t tell Irish jokes to Irish people about them being belligerent drunks, and wrap myself in a politically correct shroud.
My question to ignorant white folks about the use of the n-word is this: “Why do you want to use the word so badly when you people tell me that I can’t use it because it’s offensive? Offensive to the sensibility of black folk? Or is it offensive to you because you can’t call someone a ni$$er in the street and get away with it like in the old days?” Any white person using the double-standard argument is sick. I say to those folks, come down to SE DC near where I live or Prince George’s County, Maryland and use it. In fact, go to Jimmy’s Crab Shack and call every black person that drives by the n-word. And be a man: after you take your ass-whipping, don’t say “double-standard.” We’ve had generation upon generation that had to take that word thrown at them by whites and swallow it up. Your turn at the back of the bus, Snowflake.
Phil Deeze,
Exactly. Why the hell would you want to say that word dumb-ass?
Awb,
The comedian Michael Richards wasn’t using the term as one of endearment or to be funny. Always remember that. He remarked that 40 years ago, the black guys that heckled him would be hung from a tree with a fork up their @ss. That’s some SICK shit right there. It wasn’t funny. And he got off very light for it, too. But let Donovan McNabb say that black QB’s have it tougher and he’s a villain and Bill O’Reilly opens up his oxycontin-addicted yap.
If you’re white and old enough to use the n-word, fine. Go ahead and use it. But no whining when you catch the beat-down because those people (ones that want to use the term real badly) aren’t worth a bucket of warm dog shit.
“Make that n-word stop saying n-word!” Paul Mooney
All I’m saying is… I don’t see how Blount benefits from not bringing it up. This isn’t 1968 or even 1998, and if he wants it to get out there he can get it out there, with or without help from big media. Plenty of white people wouldn’t be receptive, and plenty would be.
Trouc,
Blount just can’t bring it up. To accuse a white person of racism, you have to actually catch them wearing the bed spread setting a cross on fire on your property. It’s that simple. And they have an excuse for everything including:
“I had three black people in my house last week fixing my floors” or
“Some of my best friends are black” or
“That Jamie Foxx sure is funny when he talks about his anaconda, but he can’t bang my daughter out, though” or
“Halle Berry sure is pretty….for a black lady. But she’s half white” or
“I used to watch ‘The Cosby Show.’ I’m Mr. Black people.”
Oh, and “Remember the Titans” didn’t happen like that. White folks aren’t racist to football players. Besides, they won all the games.” and
“Roots” was unfair. Massa didn’t hit Kunta Kinte that hard. And black folks had all the food they could eat. See how happy they were when Fiddler plays his fiddle?
trouc-
I had the same argument with someone last night. The scenario from my perspective is this: Blount makes statement. Some people in the press, Black and White empathize. Chip Kelly and the players around Hout say, “He didn’t say that!” So, it’s now White people versus Black person.
ESPN, which has invested SO much into making Blount guilty (there are two more feature-length articles about Oregon, Chip Kelly, and/or Blount on the .com which I am writing about now – oh, and they both shit on Blount) comes out full force with 6 a.m. to midnight Blount-hate, SI and Whit-Fox and Mike -reeman-CSB come out and dump on Blount and what happens?
All the empathetic voices get wiped out, Blount is said to be playing the race card and is seen an even worse light than he is now.
Remember, Kelly Tilghman said fellow golfers should catch Tiger Woods in a back alley and lynch him and Black columnists acted like they all had Jungle Fever stumbling over themselves to back her up, let alone the White boys who wanted her to have their babies. And to me that statement is immensely more stark and sicker than Hout calling Blount a nigger (which is bad enough).
So, if Tilghman gets off, Hout would, too ——– and Blount might not even get drafted next season. As it is ESPN has saved some NFL team at least $250K in bonus $$$$$$$ as Blount was projected as the #2 RB in the coming draft; he’s sure to drop a round, at least.
Trouc we don’t know if he mentioned it or if so if his handlers shot it down. Considering the impact if people found out that Hout used that word, i would believe some one may try to suppress it… why chance letting it out trying to further tarnish Blount’s image and end up having people question Hout and Boise State?
Phil Deeze, worse that Caucasians using that word are knee-grows making it a term of endearment and a badge of honour. This is the main reason why Caucasians feel comfortable using it in the 21st century, because we folks give them the OK!
Remember Shaun Coombs, saying he gave Jennifer Lopez permission to say it.
If it’s not in Blount’s best interest to bring this up, what exactly are we hoping the Boise State will do to Hout? If it’s never brought up, then Hout will deny that he said it. Honestly, am I missing something?
As for Michael Richards, I don’t think you can accurately say he got off light after his despicable comments. Has anybody seen or heard from him since? His career is toast. Of course, he’ll still collect royalty checks and he’ll be just fine financially, but I don’t think he’s going to get a lot of work from here on in. Nor should he. I can’t watch Seinfeld reruns. Can’t do it.
Victor-
If it isn’t brought up Hout doesn’t have to deny anything?… Actually, he doesn’t have to say anything.
The NCAA is soooo different from the pros – especially when you’re trying to stand up for yourself. In today’s climate it seems difficult enough for pros with unions behind them. let alone college players with schools that act like they’d rather they not even be there.
RBD,
Michael Richards has been on the cover of Entertainment Magazine along with the cast of “Seinfeld” and it’s reunion show on “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” Any black person that complains will likely be shouted down with “rappers say the n-word and you’re OK with that, so why can’t Kramer?” or “he paid his debt to society.” Let’s also not forget that pieces of shit like the shock jock known as Greaseman can say things about the MLK holiday like “shoot four more blacks and get the whole week off” get booted off the air only to be allowed BACK on the air to be able to say “no wonder people drag them behind cars” a reference to the Robert Byrd murder in Texas.
dwil, if I’m reading you right, then I totally agree that for Blount to bring this up would cause the right-wing descent upon him with open claws, and that would be a helluva thing for a 20-year old to have to go thru – and would only yield decreasing marginal benefits. Thus, it would appear that Hout would either have to confess or other people around the incident would have to come forward. I’m sure by now that threats have been issued at both schools letting anyone know what would happen to them if they told the truth. As you said, they want Blount to be the scapegoat, most of all because it fits into their “NEE-grows are animals” scenario.
In other news, I now check all my scores on USA Today – I’ll NEVER go back to ESPN or SI websites again. Let them go back to their teaparties or lynchings or whatever…
It’s pretty interesting how African Americans from down South react when anyone uses the word “nigga”. I think I have explained how the term became popular within those raised in the ghettos of New York City. Did Hout say “nigger” or did he use the term that so frequently used by youngbucks like himself. The term popularized by Nuyoricans in the late 70′s early 80′s is “nigga” which is a term of endearment for those raised in the hood in NYC. I remember a brawl in Cancun that was exacerbated by me using the term on a young African American kid who went insane after I said “nigga” as I tried explaining to him that his boy is drunk and my homegirl wasn’t interested in him.
I think it’s time in this politically wanna be correct era we are trying to step into that people recognize what the term ‘nigga’ really means. Enough of the racially convenient way to view a particular word that was changed from a nasty hurtful word into one of acceptance and friendship. Why is it that Latinos can refer to one another as “negro/negra” (male/female with dark skin) and “blanco/blanca” (male/female that’s very light skinned) without this irrational hatred? Now I’m not going to tell you Puerto Ricans aren’t racist. We just might be the most racist of people in the Caribbean, but we don’t go around wanting to fight everyone who we assume thinks they’re better than we are because of our skin tone. No, our people weren’t slaves and didn’t live through the hundreds of years of suffering Africans did. No, our culture has never been stripped from us. I still think it’s time for a turning of the page. I think in an era where we consider ourselves more advanced than we have been at any time in this civilization’s history, we all need to let go of certain ghosts that haunt us.
Can a white guy call me a “spic” and get away with it? Absolutely not. Do I have to go on a rant that my people aren’t given opportunities to succeed in this country because a certain group of people presume I’m inferior? Absolutely not. ESPN doesn’t create anything. They’re out selling their product. Is it their responsibility to be politically correct? Not at all. ESPN is a business. You as the consumer buy it when you watch their programming. I don’t sense any type of racism within their opinions. It’s something I’m not looking for. If you look for trouble, it will find you. My mother told me that when I was 14 as she saw me hanging out with some of the more unsavory kids in the hood. Which brings me to this topic.
Why should Hout be suspended? If he, like millions of youths who want to emulate rappers actin like hoodrats from New York City, used the word “nigga” should he have been snuffed by Blount? If Blount was angry because his team just got their teeth kicked in by Boise St. then it’s understandable. Hell, if someone came over and taunted me, I might have had the same reaction. This notion that they should suspend Hout is pretty funny. Then again, I come from a part of the world where the word ‘nigga’ is a term of endearment. Who is anyone to say that Hout simply wasn’t there to shout a diss at Blount using a term that he might deem to be acceptable? Who is being politically incorrect/correct now? So if Hout were hispanic, would there be this uproar? Unfortunately, people can’t let the ghosts go.
Someone used this as an example of showing the effects that 300 years of slavery followed with 100+ years of apartheid can have on a race of people: we are the only people in the known universe that would sit around and argue about today’s validity of using the one word (or any number of derivatives thereof) that was the greatest symbol of the power of our former oppressor and the symbol of the extent of our bondage.
Let me say that again: the only race of people in the known universe.
What one calls himself (or allows himself to be called) is what one sees himself as. Let me ask: for the most part, these type of people, the “n*gg*r this” and the “n*gg*r that” types of people, would one categorize them as the ones who are shaping and formulating business plans in meetings? Are they trading securities on the stock exchange? Do they make up school boards deciding what our children should be learning? Are they graduating from Ph.D. programs, and medical schools, and law schools? Are they organizing political action committees to make our communities better? In short, are they the ones that are making our society better? I’m just asking…
The whole so-called n-word “controversy” reminds me of that part in Gulliver’s Travels about those people who sat around and argued about nothing…
At this point, I’m convinced that the reigning Igna-rican is either from the moon or deep, deep space. He couldn’t possibly be from around the way. He makes up too, too much shit that simply didn’t happen. Since I was born in the Boogie Down and raised in Spanish Harlem, I find all of this stoooooopid shit a little bizarre.
Jimmy — have you lost your goddamn mind? What the hell’s wrong with you?
You have a lot of dumb ass comments sprinkled around this board — so I can’t get at all of them, but you need to stop trying to act like you’re representing anything more than your own personal Puerto Rican-ness. You don’t speak for the group and your shit is totally out of order.
I get that you’ve been deluded into believing that Puerto Ricans are merely a mix of Spaniards and Indians, but this is far from the truth. There was a sizeable African population in P.R. and the D.R. and many others islas centuries ago — at the same time that the diseases of your Spanish forbearers were killing off the Indians — Tainos and Arawaks and Caribs and every one else. In fact, the “father of public education in PR” was an African. I don’t expect you to know this — why would you? Don’t get me started on Arthur Schomburg or any of the many, many great Afro Ricans.
It seems to me that you live in a tiny semi/quasi-Caucasian Latino bubble and would benefit from an internship (unpaid, of course) at the Caribbean Cultural Center.
If that doesn’t help, you could also get your ass on the #2 or #3 train and head on up to 135 — and go to the big ass research library named for an African Puerto Rican. You could spend ALL WEEK there and get a clue.
Or, you could stop making up stories about Nuyoricans creating the word “nigga” and talk to another Afro-Rican, Felipe Luciano (founder of the Young Lords gang) to get the skinny on the real relationships between Africans who speak English first and Africans who speak Spanish first.
And while you’re at it, you can see if you can get all those Latinos with Moorish names like Alvarez, Almodovar, Morales and such to change to something more authentically Spanish OR Indian. You are beyond confused and haven’t the foggiest notion of what it means to be fully from La Isla Encanta.
Snap out of it fool. It’s time to you see the light.
VICTOR- As a kid from the hood who is approaching 40, many of my friends who banged the streets and used the “N” word for friends, family members, priests are doctors, attorneys, cops and other varied professions. It’s time people simply accept, recognize and understand that seeds planted hundreds of years ago bear no fruit today. What I find refreshing for me is I can see my people tomorrow after years of not seeing them in person, walk up to them and say, “Sup, nigga? What’s good with you?”
Unfortuntately, today’s attention seeking “do gooders” want to make a name for themselves by turning something that was once ugly and turned good, into something ugly by returning to the past. What’s sad is most people have no idea where the term “nigga” originated from and for what purpose the word was used for. They simply want to attach it to something negative.
1517 to 1873.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_history_in_Puerto_Rico
When someone knows so little about themselves, it’s almost pointless to argue — so we won’t be arguing. There will be no back and forth. This is the final salvo — and, if anything, head up to East Harlem and let your peeps know that you’ve all been grossly misinformed. After that, you can get on a flight and see about straightening out that statehood-independence thing.
Stop frontin’ son. You are not the only New Yorker on this board. Snap out of it son. Now, go put some clothes on.
Jimmy
You need to address what Temple said.
Actually, Jimmy, you don’t need to do it for me. You should do it for the community here, though. I think it’s only appropriate.
Also, I’d like to apologize for my tone. I didn’t initially write with this fiery intention, but I’ve had this same conversation with so many people who know so little about the history of the islands, that it becomes frustrating.
When your greatest scholars, nationalist leaders, writers, composers and singers and artists are Africans, there is no running or hiding. This very issue is at the heart of the Puerto Rican vs. Dominican tension in NYC. It’s at the heart of the Bronx P.R. vs. Manhattan P.R. tension that was pervasive in the 1970′s. Folks act like they are something they are not — to the outside world — and the facts on the ground are far different.
The same person who tells you that Puerto Ricans aren’t African are the SAME ONES who go to the botanica and have a house full of YORUBA SAINTS ALL OVER THEIR HOUSE. They have veve’s in the garden and are listening to samba beats as they cook black beans and white rice (moros y christianos). These people have been lied to — and they were neighbors for years — and they had stronger cultural ties to Africa than many Black Americans, but both groups denied the connections.
If US-born Blacks and Latinos were on the same page in NYC, we could run the city overnight — but we’re both on some bullshit fed by divide and conquer misinformation. Jimmy — you need to stop talking about things you don’t understand and try to find the common ground that courses through your veins and those of the ones with whom you can find common cause.
Enough is enough.
TEMPLE- As a son of a Taino featured dad and a Spaniard featured mom, it’s pretty laughable that you arrive NOW and want to debate this with me. It’s a common theme with NuYoricans whom embrace their African roots. I simply happen to be one of these Bronx Boricuas who is versed on the island and it’s history without the trash from people who want to tab things improperly. Facts are facts, though. Puerto Ricans on the island are PREDOMINANTLY lightskinned. You should take a trip to PR every now and then. Having family from Yabucoa and Humacao, I don’t need a history lesson from a Spanish Harlem NuYorican who thinks a tanned Boricua has black blood in him, unless you think Africans were there before the Arawaks and Tainos. Little lesson for you. Spanish Harlem doesn’t represent PR history. It represents NuYorican’s historical viewpoints, but towards the African influence, which is pretty overrated and overstated. Why interject DR I don’t know. Puerto Rico was where the rich slave traders stood. PR didn’t have the African slave influence the rest of the Carib did. It’s why most Boricuas are lightskinned back on the island. The Port of the Rich, get it?
Names are names. You can stick an Alvarez to a Bernie Williams looking Puerto Rican or a Lopez to a Benecio Del Toro and you wouldn’t know shit from crap. In the end, Spaniards are the root. Do I need to spill names of great LIGHTSKINNED Puerto Ricans for justification? Brilliant of you to drop the names of “Afro-Ricans” (and guys like you wonder why the lightskinned Puerto Rocks are racist the way they are on the island, lol) as if you think you’re more knowledgeable than myself, lol.
And the term NIGGA was created by NuYorican/transplants from the island. It’s actually a Bronx term. Sorry, but Spanish Harlem doesn’t take credit. Fall back on that one, son. As for the Young Lords, pffffffffft. Nice revolutionaries who did finx the trash issue NYC had. Idiots wanted to free Puerto Rico back then when it wasn’t that big a deal. Still isn’t, since most island Boricuas don’t care about independence. They care more about health care and jobs.
Young Lords might have been a superior influence had they sold drugs like the MOB did. Drug money buys power. Loudmouths coupled with Black Panther members only leads to the wrong type of attention. You need to explain to me what Mr. Luciano and the term “nigga” have anything to do with one another? Sorry, but the Young Lords had nothing to do with the term. Perhaps they should have sold weed instead of smoking trees in the 70′s. They might have gotten more done.
Feel free to talk more MIERDA since you think I’m the one who has lost their mind, LMAO. Your African influence doesn’t mean I need to be taught anything. To me, we”re all PUERTO RICANS, nigga. Color of skin holds no distinction to you, unless you’re one of these curly haired, nappy textured hair having Boricuas who don’t feel comfortable with the way their hair appears in the mirror. Yes, I have that straight Indio hair in case you’re wondering, but I’m not blanco. At the end of the day, the same Puerto Rican flag gets waved the 2nd Saturday in June. And a friendly reminder, no flag of Africa gets waved in Spanish Harlem nor Puerto Rico, nor the Bronx, mamao.
Good luck T3. I’m just wondering why they don’t filter emails from the asylum.
That’s about as close to Patty Hearst as one can come.
You’ve got it bad, and that ain’t good.
TEMPLE- Victor Manuelle, Marc Anthony, J-LO, Miguel Cotto, Tito Puentes look African to you? If they do, you need Lasix, nigga. Wilfredo Gomez look black to you? Carlos Beltran looks black to you? Ivan Rodriguez and Ivan Gonzalez look black to you? Alex Rios looks black to you? Or are they wanna bee black like you wish they were?
I’m sorry, but I missed the part where Africans influenced Salsa. One of the greatest LIES being produced is how NOBODY else played any musical instruments besides Africans…lol. The Tainos had their own drums. The Arawaks had their own musical instruments very similar to the drums Africans used. See, this type of argument is where the TEMPLE types start saying, “Oh you’re misinformed. You need real education”…STFU, man. Are you really that dense to believe Africans were the ONLY ones creating music via instruments? It had nothing to do with the Christians DESTROYING any and everything that belonged to the Tainos and Arawaks, right?
Such is the IGNORANCE of people like yourself who talk out of their ass about Puerto Ricans not knowing where they come from, but at the end of the spectrum, you’re too stupid to acknowledge that we’re TAINOS before we’re African. Dumb ass, nigga.
AWB:
I’m not trying to fix Jimmy or even to claim that Puerto Ricans are essentially African. Far from it. That’s not my contention at all.
I just want to make sure that if someone comes across this page, they have some basis for questioning and countering some of his counterfactual claims.
Most of what he suggests is absurd on its face, but it should be flatly challenged for those who don’t have the benefit of a local context.
Meanwhile, http://www.myafricandiaspora.com/rosaclemente_feature.html
There are millions of people from that island who flatly reject Jimmy’s nonsensical position. People can do better if they choose to.
Yeah, aight..lol. That’s why there is this divide on the island, correct? Then again, WTF would a Spanish Harlem nigga know about PR? THAT’S what’s said on the island about people like yourself.
Maybe you write in Spanish since your English isn’t very good.
LMFAO @ Rosa Clemente. I LOVE how you decide to talk about the viewpoints of “millions” in Puerto Rico by dropping that BULLSHIT link written by a NUYORICAN LMAO! I’m sure Puerto Ricans on the island COMPLETELY agree with Rosa..lol. One more time, genius. Spanish Harlem DOESN’T represent Puerto Ricans nor Puerto Rico.
Please feel free to reference anything I have stated that ‘millions’ in PR wouldn’t agree with..lol.
Jimmy — everything you write about references your quintessential New York identity. It’s all NYC all the time. Check out your own words up top. You begin by talking about NYC and the formation of cultural identity in this city. Why switch now? Why change the topic now? Why use red herrings now?
Keep it all about NYC.
Besides, I said millions of people FROM that island — not millions of people ON that island.
As I said, perhaps you’d prefer to do this in Spanish since ingles is not a strong suit.
Then again, maybe Spanish will be equally useless to you because you don’t have a point. Clearly slavery existed in Puerto Rico for the better part of 3 centuries. Clearly there was an African population on the island. Clearly those Africans made significant contributions in all walks of life. And, clearly those influences are felt today. And it is equally clear that since you’ve denied each of these obvious facts in evidence, that you’ve either been deeply miseducated or you have a cognitive disorder or both.
Remember Jimmy, this isn’t for you. It’s for the board.
I’m not asserting that you’re “black” or “African.” (I know that’s a relief to you.) I’m not asserting your a “spic” or a “nigger” or a “nigga” or anything like that. I’m simply stating the obvious — that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
And wasn’t that established a long, long time ago?
TEMPLE- What’s wrong, nigga? You don’t have any more links to represent yourself with? Scared I’m going to take them apart because I’m not some fucking muppet who reads a link on the internet and goes ga-ga? Feel free to critique my English if it allows you to sleep better at night. Te puedo hablar en Espanol si quieres, mamabicho? Is that more to your liking? Or is it not NuYorican/Spanish Harlem ghetto slang-ish enough for you? Or are you one of these SELLOUT Puerto Ricans/”Afro-Ricans” who doesn’t speak Spanish? lol
Learn something from a Puerto Rican now, pendejo. Read some REAL LINKS
http://www.kacike.org/MartinezEnglish.html
http://www.citeulike.org/user/Archaeogenetics/article/511911
http://www.indio.net/taino/main/dna.htm
http://www.taino-tribe.org/pr-taino-dna.htm
Keep talking, baby.
P.S BIG MAN- Have I addressed it well enough? lol
TEMPLE- Stop jumping like a Mexican jumping bean. You went from dissing my “NuYorican” points of view, to talking about African influence in Puerto Rico, via Spanish Harlem museums lol, to now wanting to keep it NY after I dropped your argument into the toilet with a few return jabs. Your knowledge about Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rico is pretty funny. There were hundreds of years of slavery here in the U.S. Do you have the same passion towards rednecks, whose ancestors kept slaves in their homes, by telling them they have African influence? You’re not from Puerto Rico, but you’re deciphering our culture via slaves who were dispersed throughout the island. You know what’s the difference between slaves in Puerto Rico and slaves in Mississippi? Nothing. I don’t hear anyone telling white people in Mississippi they’re culture was molded by African slaves. How quickly are Puerto Ricans dropped into the category of “influenced greatly by Africans” because slavery (gasp) was prevelant on the island.
Obviously, you geared your argument towards your pro-black side. That’s fine. You do that, but don’t tell me about what happened on the streets of the Bronx with the word nigga, unless you know something we ALL don’t know. Especially since Puerto Ricans were the first ones using it. As for it being a “relief” that I’m not black, whatever. I’m not Chinese either. What’s the big fucking deal? lol
As a salsa and rap fan, it’s pretty funny to think Africans played any role at all in the music we listen and dance to today. But you hold on to that idea as tight as you can.
And of course you’re going to have Boricuas like yourself who want ALL Boricuas to admit to being influenced by Africans. Why is that a requirement? Who knows? Then again, that’s your daily chore in life. And the best part is you THINK you’re the informed one..LMAO
For those who don’t share Jimmy’s mental illness, it will be illuminating to note that he uses “nigga” to express the limitations of his argument and the depth of his frustration. He is trying to demonstrate anger. In fact, it’s a concession of powerlessness. It’s the last bullet in the chamber. He’s got nothing left.
Is this not a clear sign of mental illness?
It most certainly is.
I haven’t gone down the salsa route, but for those of us who have heard taino music (drums and all) and spanish music, we know that the distinctive sound that defines modern so-called “latin music” originates in west africa — and you can hear that music anytime you like in angola or nigeria — but you won’t hear it among any indigenous groups in the americas or amongst the purest of Castillians in Spain.
Many people on this planet have drums, but we don’t all play them the same way — and that’s why we can make beautiful music together — even if Jimmy wants to erase all those CONGOlese drummers from his memories of Congas and Bongos and all those other African names for drums.
Mental illness 101.
Victor-
Allowing the word nigger to stop you from progressing as a human is one thing. Chin-checking crackers who use the word is another.
There is no argument by me about the validity of the term nigger. It is what it is: patently racist, offensive, and a sad sign of a continuing sickness.
That other Black people assign it anything else is a manifestation of the psychological trauma you mention.
But make no mistake, 476 years of psychological trauma is nothing to sniff at. So rather, than shake your head an act above it all, do something to aid the situation…
Jimmy-
Your Spaniard-centric act is wearing thin – and please refrain from coming at me w/ foolishness; you did it w/ those lies about the LQ Club you spewed and nearly sucked me into. As you saw, I have the time to go as far as necessary to back any word that is borne by me onto these virtual pages.
There is a trust at SOMM that people will engage in very real conversations; sometimes it’s heated, sometimes its congenial.
But I will not stand for people who come here and personally attack me or the valued readers who take the time to comment here regularly. And that’s whether those attacks are overt – as are yours – or attempts a passive-aggressive directness – like Victor’s.
You and those you call yours did not start calling Black people anything that wasn’t said before; in fact nigger has derivatives that are centuries older than the Western etymological adaptation. And “nigga” was not first coined by “Nuyoricans ,” either. My grandfather and his Black friends, a Nebraska farmers all, used the term long before the 1970s. As soon as I was able to understand what he was saying I can remember him using the term talking with those men on the front porch.
The term was NEVER a term of endearment.
It was never, though, used around While farmers on that same porch.
No matter how they “rocked it.”
And there is never a place for some cracker to use the term. I don’t give a fuck if he comes form Boogie Down or Eight Mile or Slauson, or Cabrini, or Hunter’s Point.
Make that name taste like shit in your mouth – whether you think it’s cool that you end the word in “a” or whether you attempt to differentiate it when you’re angry or feeling inferior and add the, “er.”
The point here is this: NIGGER, NIGGA, NIGGY – none of it is cool (and certainly not here). NONE of it is nice here, none of it is “tolerated” or respected.
There is no argument.
NONE.
And my grandfather has no” Nuyorican” in him.
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I almost forgot: it is NOT okay for ESPN to be racist – “PC” is a term created by people who would seek to veil all their negative ‘isms.” It is not okay because they are a corporation or a business, or whatever you want to call Entertainment and Sports Programming Network.
And it is not okay, particularly since corporations like Disney-ESPN-ABC-et al. fought so hard to gain legal personhood. since they want to be seen as “individuals” and treated as people, it is not okay for the collective human that is ESPN to be racist, nor is it okay for any of its parts to be apologists for its racism.
Well said Temple. This is a perfect time to educate everyone on the board. You and I have talked about the african diaspora in Latin America on this wedsite and TSF a few times.
Jimmy is like a glitch in the matrix or something. I am not sure how this dude found this wedsite. I think when D wrote that article on the Nascar fight awhile ago Jimmy made his way in.
The thing is that Jimmy makes Boney and DavidMac look like Einstein.
There are plenty of black/Afro puerto Ricans who have made a mark here in America and in puerto Rico.
Many have addressed racial issues that exist on the island today.
For example Tego Calderon has talked about racism in the latin community as well as in his homeland of PR.
http://www.nypost.com/p/lifestyle/tempo/black_pride_A0DRdN2NxyDhJsGjzGqzVL
There are places like “El Museo de Nuestra Raiz Africana” (the Museum of our African Roots) located in Old San Juan, Puerto Rico.
http://www.seeingblack.com/2004/x021304/puertorico.shtml
Another thing how can Jimmy say that there is no african influence in Salsa when there is even an african influence in the foods that puerto Ricans eat???
From Okra to Mofongo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_cuisine
But to deny the africans influence and existance is insane. When DNA test have shown that almost a quarter of PRs have african in them (and 61% have indian in them)
Then to say that PRs doen’t have ancestors who were slaves when the Spaniards enslaved the natives and had african slaves.
Well I guess Jimmy was right if you only count that 14% you know those were the rich Spaniards. The ones that were would marry one another (even family) to ensure that they wouldn’t be mixed like the rest of the africans and indians.
D why is my previous comment waiting on moderation??
Also thanks for you jumping in here…………this is getting insane.
One day I told my aunt I didn’t like her using the N-word (the one with the a at the end). Well she tells me she has been saying that word for 60 years and was’t gonna stop using it until she died ( at the time she was 75).
My Aunt is 80 years old and still uses that word. Last time I checked 60 years ago was way before some PRs from 1970 started to use it.
Temple says
“Mental illness 101″
Yes it is………..yes it is.
Dwil
On the ESPN thing.
I think ESPN has a “right” to be racist.
And we have a “right” to condemn them soundly for it.
Jimmy tried to pretend that because ESPN is a business, whatever they do in the pursuit of dollars is okay. That is total and complete BS. There is a difference between what you have a “right” to do, and what is “okay.”
After all, Floyd Mayweather is a “business.” Given Jimmy’s point about ESPN, it would be “okay” for Mayweather to do whatever it takes to make money. However, since we’ve all read Jimmy’s rambling on Mayweather we know that he does not see the world that way when it comes to the boxer. Jimmy is selective in defining what is “okay.”
Therefore, there is no need to engage in extended debates with someone who has shifting standards. Temple has provided a counterpoint to Jimmy’s ramblings on the creation of the term “nigga” and his comments on all thing Puerto Rican. What I’ve learned is that different folks have different thoughts on the subject. That’s a good thing because I would hate to believe that all Puerto Ricans think like Jimmy, which is what he has been pushing since he arrived here from the Internet ether.
BM:
I don’t think Jimmy’s viewpoint is anything BUT traditional. It is widely shared and is the prevailing opinion. I just think it’s flawed. There was some research done on the persistence of indigenous DNA (mtNDA carried by women) in PR that would absolute floor some people. Folks would find they’re much less European than they think; more African than they could have imagined; and more indian than they’ve been led to suspect.
back to, um, er, SPORTS!!
T3,
Calling Jimmy’s statments bizzare is putting it mildly. Like you, I’m very familar with the neigborhoods and the history/facts and all I can do is laugh at Jimmy’s usual empty bluster and staggering ignorance. I could point out too many examples but this one jumps out at me for some reason:
“Victor Manuelle, Marc Anthony, J-LO, Miguel Cotto, Tito Puentes look African to you? If they do, you need Lasix, nigga. Wilfredo Gomez look black to you? Carlos Beltran looks black to you? Ivan Rodriguez and Ivan Gonzalez look black to you? Alex Rios looks black to you? Or are they wanna bee black like you wish they were?”
Notice how he left out….Felix Trinidad? LOL. I guess he didn’t pass the “tanned Boricuas” test. Too funny. But what do you expect from a guy who mentions his part “Spanish” heritage as proof of NOT!? having any African heritage himself.
Yeah I posted info on teh DNA test Temple but the dang site is moderating my comments.
I also posted an article by Tego Calderon.
The DNA results were like 24% african, 61% indian and the rest was white.
Big Man-
Of course you’re correct but I didn’t use the word ?right? with ESPN in my comment to Jimmy:
I almost forgot: it is NOT okay for ESPN to be racist – “PC” is a term created by people who would seek to veil all their negative ‘isms.” It is not okay because they are a corporation or a business, or whatever you want to call Entertainment and Sports Programming Network.
And it is not okay, particularly since corporations like Disney-ESPN-ABC-et al. fought so hard to gain legal personhood. Since they want to be seen as “individuals” and treated as people, it is not okay for the collective human that is ESPN to be racist, nor is it okay for any of its parts to be apologists for its racism.
O and Jimmy-
The comment section moderates comments with more than 2 links – it’s a spam-proof deal.
T3,
Drop knowledge.
And you’re right. Jimmy’s POV is rather pervasive. A lot of Puerto Rican use the word “nigga” but get pissed if they are called the same. Even if they happen to look like Tito Trinidad or Roberto Clemente (good one ks). Jimmy, however, is the only person I am aware of who claimed the word came from New York. Having been born down south with the customary roots over many generations I can’t even begin to understand where he came up with that one. It’s so counter-intuitive that yes, you do begin to wonder about his grip on reality.
Go Titans.
Temple and others it’s good to hear and see information deseminate without the overpowering sickness of emotionalism. I chose not to resond to his comment because it would have validated his ramblings.
I think that we must re-educate /dropsquad some of our children and peers who use that term because it encourages others to use it as proof “we’ve all” have risen above its his-story.
Still pigs don’t wear pearls and a dog by any other name still sniffs ass and bites his nuts!
TEMPLE- Nice of you to call on the board in your moment of desperation. The word nigga is used by me daily. It’s hardly desperation, my nigga. Once again, take a deep breath. I thought we were talking NYC? Now you want to talk about African influence on Puerto Rico? If you need some definition, it’s called mocking, stupid
As for congos and congeros, it’s also funny that the Taino used their own congos when playing drums in their Areyto dance ceremonies that included dances with congo like drums (gasp). Learn the dance, listen to what the drum beats sound like. It gets really tiring talking to a Nuyorican wishing to be accepted by the black community, whose only information about PR comes from museums within NYC ghettos. Educate yourself outside the confines of Spanish Harlem, asshole..LOL
DUMB FUCK 101 LOL
DWIL- Nobody lied to you about LQ. I want you to post something about LQ that differs from anything I talked about in here. The fact of the matter is Plax is STILL lying about how things went down, but he will continue to lie like he did at the hospital and like he has through his attorneys. Guess those were BS too? Just because I disagreed with your idea that the owners of LQ can be dragged into a court of law and brought up on some fantasy like charges, doesn’t mean my boys who work security are telling me stories. They don’t need to. You get information from the bounced bouncer and the bottle girl that is opposite of the facts that I posted, you let me know. You have my number. Don’t BS me, kid. To this day your “truth” from “insiders” has not arrived. And it won’t arrive, much like the Titanic never arrived. Maybe you can send TEMPLE over to LQ to ask some questions. See how far he gets….lol…Matter of fact, send him there Friday, give him my celly, and have him meet me @ the line. We’ll find out who is full of shit and who isn’t. And it’s not going out of my way. I hit up LQ Fridays all the time.
As for “nigga” I will explain it again. Puerto Ricans are the only Latinos who call themselves Negrito/Negrita Blanco/Blanquita. You don’t want to believe it, that’s your issue, man. The word evolved into the term of endearment it is in the hood. It’s used in NY, NJ, CT and PA. Sorry if it’s offensive to YOU, but the word wasn’t popularized for YOUR people. And come down to NYC. White boys, blacks and hispanics use the word freely with one another. It’s OUR word. Unfortunately, we have people who can’t accept the past nor want to let it go. Imagine, we New Yorkers turned a word that’s had such a nasty history and actually made it functional.
ESPN is a business. In the end, a business does what it needs to do.
ORIGIN- I never denied African influence. Unfortunately, the backlash from crediting EVERYTHING Puerto Rican to African influence has created the division in PR between light and dark Boricuas. This didn’t exist until about 30 years ago. A combination of things have led to the “uprising” if you want to call it that, but there are PLENTY of Puerto Ricans who dislike this American/Afro-Rican propaganda that deletes the fact that we are more Native Tainos/Spaniard than we are African. Our tan complexion doesn’t derive from Africans. It derives from Tainos. Tainos weren’t white. They weren’t black. It came to a point that you’re either white or black and it’s wrong. We’re Taino. Our DNA supports the proof. Science proves it. What do we hear, though? If you don’t support the Afro-Rican argument, you’re a racist and you wanna be white..LOL. Tell a stupid fuck like Temple that he’s Taino, and the motherfucker would blow a fuse. Is Africa responsible for our roast pig (pernil), Yuca/cassava, and papaya recipee the Tainos left behind? Sazon and Adobo, spices the Europeans fell in love with are a direct result of Tainos. And every meal made by Puerto Ricans has one or the other seasoning in it. It’s mindboggling, but whatever. I guess every banana/plantain meal was created by Africans as well. Give me a break, lol.
KS- LMAO! Here we go! Funny you would mention Tito. His mother definitely has African genes. Tito’s complexion is exactly what a Taino would look like. Tainos had wide noses, full lips with that caramel complexion. Just take a look at some sculptures Tainos left behind. Guys like Beltran and Pudge are Tainos mixed with Spaniards so they’re a little lighter than Tito. That’s my complexion. Nice catch with Tito, though. Notice I mentioned the Puerto Ricans that represent what MOST Puerto Ricans look like. Sorry, but to reject certain falsehoods doesn’t make me anything other than informed. I take equal hombrage being called white.
Floyd Mayweather is a business.
I haven’t been this deeply insulted by a 3rd grader since 1974. This hurts to the core.
Somebody in this thread needs to go follow the lead of their island hero and go into ‘Survival Boxing’ mode. (-:
I keep seeing T3 bringing the ruckus, only to get the Spanglish,New-York-accented,-ignorance-filled,-Kane-esque-from-’Menace-II-Society’ response of “What, you tryin’ to get smart? You tryin’ to kick some knowledge?”
Sad indeed.
As I said before: Poor Jimmy Quixote. His obsession traps him in an alternate universe (the internets) where every post he sees turns into anti-Puerto Rico or pro-Mayweather windmills.
And like the good folk of La Mancha, let’s all just laugh at his ‘adventures’ until he regains his sanity.
T3-
Yup, perfect assessment….. I’m done.
Jimmy, you’re a trip.
“I never denied African influence. Unfortunately, the backlash from crediting EVERYTHING Puerto Rican to African influence has created the division in PR between light and dark Boricuas. This didn’t exist until about 30 years ago. “
Bullshit. In regional terms, the light vs. dark divide still exists all over the Carribean and Latin America. The divide was explicitly set up by the colonial masters and has unfortunately gone on for too long. Yeah, it really is amazing that most of the people in power and influence in those regions have “just happened” to be lighter for generation after generation is just a coincidence, huh? The idea that in PR that it is just a recent backlash to some sort of “PR Afrocentrism” is preposterous.
The whole “I’m part Taino” is just the PR version of “I’m part Native American” nonsense that has run amok here among too many blacks and whites for that matter.
Anyway, you know or should know that modern claims of Taino heritage are questionable at best considering the lack of direct continuity from pre-Columbian age and that Columbus and crew pretty much wiped them in PR out by the mid 1500s and replaced them with non-Taino Natives from other areas and black slaves.
Sure, there’s probably a very, very small minority of Ricans that can claim some direct Taino lineage but that doesn’t mitigate all the clowns running around screaming “I’m part Taino!!!” into the wind. Personally, I find the “I’m part Spanish” thing amusing as well because 1) actual Spaniards laugh at the notion and 2) historically, Spain has been significantly influenced by and mixed with Africans (especially Moors). I guess you though they were just tanned, eh?
Also, everybody here is well aware of how the affectionate spin on “nigga” is used in the hood but, the notion that it is something that is a recent invention is absurd to say the least. I guess you think “my nigga” is a wholesle leap from the “my nigger” that I heard old heads used when I was kid in Brooklyn in the late 70s. Not.
Lawd-a-mercy, what a verbal beatdown.
poor jimmy.
NEWS FLASH!….OHHHH SHIT, WE GOT “ONE” OVER ON MODI’S “SEASON FOR ACTION” NOTE….
Jimmy,
In DC parlance, you got carried to the left like a wet food stamp.
HAHA…….Phil.
I don’t know if you DC kats influenced a lot of folks from the Chi……..but I have heard that saying before during my younger days…….LOL!!!!
T3, DWIL, Origin, Phil, Big Man, Sankofa, AWB, KS, Miranda
You guys need to chill! If you all had just left Jaime alone he was going to get to the part about Puerto Rican’s being the first humans to stand upright, how they discovered fire, invented the wheel, invented the Ipod and Windows, performed the first open heart surgery, tracked Saddam to that hole in the desert, etc.
And he personally knows cats that have out ran Usain Bolt. He has homeys that can take u to talk with Osama Bin Laden right now! Got a partner that can tell you exactly what went down with OJ and Nicole Brown the night of the murders and a whole lot more.
All that is good and right in the world have their origins in Puerto Rico and all that is bad and evil has dark skin. Right Jaime?
Man dude seriously has a small mind!
mactown….__________________ROFLMAO_____________-
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@T3: Gotta respect your patience and the knowledge you brought on here.
@mactown: lol! you just put the icing on this cake.
And i have to agree 100% with what Phil was saying earlier in his posts.
“My question to ignorant white folks about the use of the n-word is this: “Why do you want to use the word so badly when you people tell me that I can’t use it because it’s offensive? Offensive to the sensibility of black folk? Or is it offensive to you because you can’t call someone a ni$$er in the street and get away with it like in the old days?” Any white person using the double-standard argument is sick. ”
That’s the thing that has had me scratching my head. Why do white folk get upset when you tell them you can’t use that word? It just shows their inner bigot is trying hard to break free. I see these types of things quite often. Usually from people from western Canada where it’s pretty much like the midwest US. They always go on about how “I hate how you have to be so PC here”, with “here” being multicultural cities like Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. And then you realize that they are upset that they can’t make stereotypical racist remarks like nigger, paki, chink etc..
Dwil – Damn looks like i missed a lively one here.
“PC” is a term created by people who would seek to veil all their negative ‘isms.” So true, and I’m pulling it back out just so it doesn’t get lost in this all this. To me, its no different than pulling out the “its just business card” when they want to fire someone who has spent 15 or 20 years busting their ass for the company. Corporate America pushes loyalty, trust, family, patriotism etc down the throats of its work force and consumers then hides behind all these concepts when they want to do something they know is wrong.
mansoon it’s not just Western Canada man. Up here in Toronto I get hit o three sides. First there is the lawn Jockeys that use that word so often I swear their teeth starts whitening after the 10th time.
Second those Caucasians that put a multicultural smile on their face as they urge us not to dwell in the past, all the while clutching their purses and calling the cops on postal workers doing legitimate jobs.
Then there are the young Caucasians Euphemistically called “Wiggers” who end every sentence with “yo”, “dog” or “bredren” and my “nigga” as their knee-grow supports give them daps and taps. To me these are the most unfortunate, because as youngsters they could’ve been so much more but because White Supremacy breeds its own filth, we have cats thinking that “nigga” is a term of endearment and will defend it to the depth of stupidity.
Trust that Canada is no different from the USA, except there are more hypocrites up here.
KS- Thanks for the admission that “my nigga” was heard in the 70′s for it was about that time the word began to make it’s way around New York City. Whether you want to hear it or not, that’s reality. Puerto Ricans coined the phrase and it morphed into what it is today. New York City based rappers began using the word and away it went.
As for this idiotic notion that we’re not Taino based, I will repost the simple scientific proof that once again proves we are TAINOS. The misrepresentation via Afro-Ricans is anything that isn’t pale skinned is therefore mixed with black. Well, that’s obviously wrong and Taino Indians are proof. Taino culture was wiped out, but our genes weren’t. Tainos simply mixed with everyone that arrived on the island. Puerto Ricans will always carry Taino genes.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/306.html
What’s funny here is why this information isn’t shared. The reason is simple. Most Taino culture was wiped out by the Christians. That doesn’t mean our DNA changes. We’re what we are just like black people have their own DNA. It’s called a lack of education. It’s also called a desire to be something you’re not. Take that however you want. It’s just STUPID NuYoricans like TEMPLE who think non-white Puerto Ricans are black. Lets not talk about how the slaves were also used to murder Tainos and other Indians that were already here. Spaniards are offended to be called Latinos? Unlike African Americans, who base too much on how they are viewed, Spaniards don’t care. They aren’t arrogant people. If you’ve been to Spain, you would notice that few Spaniards are “tanned” complexion. They’re simply Europeans who influenced Latinos with their culture and language on this side of the planet.
MACTOWN- Nah…ALL the credit in the world goes to Africans. Everyone else on the planet were dumb fucks waiting for Africans to show us the way. LMFAO!
Jimmy<—sets them up and then SLAPS them all down. Who is next???
MONSOON- If you think TEMPLE dropped any knowledge about Puerto Rico by using GHETTO MONSTER information about PR via a GHETTO in Spanish Harlem, you also need a lobotomy, nigga..lol
SANKOFA- Thank God I live in NYC. To think dumb people like you exist outside of NY is frightening. I will pay the high cost of living here in NY as long as my kids don’t have to co-exist with mental midgets like yourself. Scary thought that there are black people who still think the way you do. Worried about “wiggers” who try to act and talk like NYC rappers and hoodrats they see on MTV and BET. Get out of the 1600′s. It’s almost 2010.
TEMPLE- PSSSSSSSSSSST. If you’re “Afro-Rican” I hate to break it to you, but you aint BLACK!
Floyd Mayweather is still a business.
Neither the Tainos, Arawaks, Caribs or Spaniards were militarily strong enough to have caused me to be Afro-Rican. The African Koromantes, however, were quite capable of holding it down and did so upon their arrival in the West. As Jimmy is well aware, the Spanish were routed in 1655 and lost one of their big $$ colonies Xaymaca (now known as Jamaica). For all of the British power, they were not able to break up the military power of the Koromantes and sought peace in Jamaica rather than maintain a war without end. Also, the Spanish were weak in the South and were never able to conquer the Seminoles of the Florida-Georgia region; nor did they establish a toe hold in Virginia or anywhere else north of Jacksonville.
So, from an identity standpoint, I am not what Jimmy describes as “Afro-Rican.” Quite the contrary. The Afro may be right, but the Rican is wrong.
Moreover, Jimmy still has reading comprehension problems. It’s why I suggested having the conversation in Spanish. It’s not my contention that dark Puerto Ricans are African. Never said it. When he gets promoted to 4th grade in June 2010, he may be able to understand that. Never said Puerto Ricans aren’t Taino. I actually said that Puerto Ricans are more Taino than most people think; that they are MORE African than most people think and LESS European than most Puerto Ricans think or would like to think.
And the people who come up short in the Puerto Rican gene replication contest are Taino men — like Jimmy. The groups with the largest numbers are (by gender): Taino women, African women, European women; European men, African men, and Taino men.
None of this is surprising as it fits the pattern of conquest stamped out by the Spanish. It also fits the pattern of economic development for the cultivation and sale of sugar on large plantations. The use of African labor was determined as early as 1517 subsequent to the appeals of Bartolome de las Casas to spare the Tainos from the brutal excesses of Jimmy’s beloved Spaniards. We’ve already established that compulsory labor (or slavery) existed in PR until well into the 19th century. Under this paradigm, it is clear that Taino men would pose the greatest threat during the early phases of colonization and be subjected to the most brutal attacks. Over time, that burden would shift to African males as their numbers increased and their familiarity with the terrain increased.
It is also natural that many Tainos would embrace the divide and rule mentality of the Spaniards and seek common cause (as a means of brokering peace and ensuring protection) with their erstwhile oppressors. It’s akin to paying psychological extortion money. The revolutionary mind, conversely, would seek common cause with the dispossessed African element as a means for restoring the land ownership and wealth basis of the island. Nonetheless, it is what it is — and Jimmy is who he is.
He is a genetically diminished Taino male seeking common cause with his oppressors as a means to preserve lost identity, lost ownership and lost wealth. And by his own admission, the question of independence is moot because the people would rather have benefits than freedom. That’s the cornerstone of the Taino Peace Agreement. It is a submission to domination in the face of a clearly stacked deck.
If I were a Taino man surrounded by whites and blacks in the island of my birth (and subjected to that same paradigm in the nation where all I really want is a job with benefits), I’d be pissed too. But, alas, I am not Taino and I want more than a job with benefits.
Free the land…free the mind…and the ass must surely follow.
Wow, T3. Nothing else need be said.
What more can I say after Temple laid it down.
Temple man … pearls at swine’s feet……! At least it is to the current “white-Arican” Don’t you see how the invictness is getting more frantic? Too much knowledge is setting off a chain reaction.
However… I am loving it!
It doesn’t amaze me anymore that people go through all kinds of mental and verbal contortions to legitmize the n-word. Whether it ends in ‘er’ or ‘a’ that word is still hateful and despite what people say words do have power. Saying that a difference of two letters makes the word somehow acceptable is misguided at best and straight evil at worse. It’s semantics, pure and simple, because me dropping the ‘g’ at the end of a word like taking has more to do with the way I talk than the meaning of the word.
Conscious people of any race know exactly what that word means and all kinds of professions of endearment won’t change that. I know what kike, spic, wetback, chink, cracka, fag, and bitch mean but I don’t use those words because I do know what they mean. People who scream about political correctness run amok need to check themselves because it costs nothing to treat someone with respect. If I didn’t do that then believe me I would deserve everything that comes my way because despite what UN-conscious people say you don’t call someone out of their name and expect them to laugh it off.
And T3 closes the show like the champion he is….
This a lovely and apt turn of phrase:
“He is a genetically diminished Taino male seeking common cause with his oppressors as a means to preserve lost identity, lost ownership and lost wealth.”
Indeed.
Wow. Reminds me when Vince Carter won the slam dunk contest. “It’s over.”
TEMPLE- LMFAO @ that exercise in futility. Slavery ended in the 1800′s in PR. Despite that, PR was nowhere near developed as it is today. PR wasn’t like Jamaica in regard to the number of slaves left on the island. Once again, let’s not confuse eloquence on a keyboard with reality.
The Spaniards were interested in gold, jackass. Once they found out that Cali and the surrounding land was loaded with it, they concentrated their efforts to that side of the country. It’s why they infiltrated Mexico and the rest of Central and South America. Even a clueless wanna be internet intellect should have been able to tell the truth, instead of doing the babboon chest pounding when talking about how Jamaica was taken over by the Koromantes. LMFAO @ Spain used Jamaica as a layover for slaves. It was virtually meaningless to them. Same thing with Florida. Spaniards were after one thing- riches. Amazing after all the bullshit pontificating, you forget the REAL REASON Spain moved on to bigger and better conquests. Sure, let’s forget that, huh. I guess we’re also going to forget they were the main slave traders as well, huh? I’m sure they were totally overpowered by the Koromantes (rolling eyes) lol.
When did you mention Puerto Ricans were more Taino? Was that before or after your GHETTO Spanish Harlem pro Afro-Rican BULLLLSHIT you typed. Comical how Tainos didn’t arise from all that immense knowledge you have attained from your Afro-Rican Spanish Harlem knowledge, LOL! Guess you had a change of conversation once I proved that Puerto Ricans are Tainos from recent DNA testing. I recall YOU being the one who began chest pounding Spanish Harlem shit as if you represent what Puerto Ricans on the island or the rest of NYC for that matter. You’re no worse than a lightskinned Puerto Rican who tries to act white. You aint BLACK. You’re Puerto Rican. Or are you? Lemme snip something out for you….
“When your greatest scholars, nationalist leaders, writers, composers and singers and artists are Africans, there is no running or hiding. This very issue is at the heart of the Puerto Rican vs. Dominican tension in NYC. It’s at the heart of the Bronx P.R. vs. Manhattan P.R. tension that was pervasive in the 1970’s. Folks act like they are something they are not — to the outside world — and the facts on the ground are far different.”
Seems to me you’re self-indulging ENTIRELY too much into that Afro-Rican nonsense. Seems to me you’re hinting at being Jamaican. Perhaps you want us to be called Afro-Ricans? Is that the cork that’s up your ass, man? I think I hurt your feelings, nigga. Don’t cry. Just because I’m NOT a white Puerto Rican, like you thought I was at the beginning of our diatribe, you shouldn’t feel as if you fucked up, LOL. On this pro-black website, arguments like mine where I seem to be pro-white, will get twisted by dumb motherfuckers like YOU! A little common sense is in order.
Nice use of copy and pasted junk regarding Caribbean history. Useless in this argument, but it sure shoe shined you into looking smart, huh? Sadly enough, it’s all gloss with little substance, since I don’t march to either the beat of a white boy nor a black kid. As someone who grew up interracting, competing in sports with, robbing with and robbing white boys and black kids, it’s all the same shit to me. Both white people and black people are comical individuals with their own positives and negatives, much like Latinos. That made me laugh that I’m a Taino looking to make goody good with anyone. Funny, but me growing up on Creston and 182 makes your statement look like one made by a complete idiot. Nice of you to overlook that one while you made your misdirected semi-cultural, semi political bullshit opinion of how I view myself..LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
In nasal white boy voice- “Good job there, Temple”
LMAO @ THIS STUPID FUCK! LOL
“The Domestic Encyclopaedia Vol3″, by A. F. M. Willich
Madness, or Mania, one of the most distressing afflictions which humbles human nature. It is usually divided into two kinds, melancholy, and raving; but as they are so nearly allied to, and frequently alternate with each other, we shall treat of both in one connected view.
The distinguishing character of melancholic patients is a gloomy and dejected countenance, for which no real cause can be assigned. They are seized with fear and trembling, so that it is difficult to raise their animal spirits. The violence of the disease depends on the different subjects that prey upon the mind, which is extremely variable; inquiring after the most trivial matters: the habit is costive, the face pale, the pulse small; and weak, while the stomach is distended with flatulency, and the appetite is uncommonly voracious.
With respect to those strictly denominated maniacs, their condition may be ascertained by their bold and resolute aspect, while their eyes are suffused with blood; by tremulous motion of the eyelids; an unaccountable aversion to particular persons or things (truth for instance); acute-ness in hearing; and by their almost continual wakefulness. Those hapless individuals, who have become raving mad, in consequence of fear, generally continue under the influence of that passion.-Such are the more striking symptoms, which vary towards the decline of the disorder; the victims of which are dull and stupid; or sorrowful, melancholy, and sensible of their mental derangement.
Causes:—these are various, and often complicated, but may be aptly divided into two classes, namely, mental and corporeal. To the former belongs love, fear, terror, pride, hope, joy; too ardent enthusiasm for liberty, or other passion that absorbs every faculty of the mind: too intense or too long continued meditation upon any person or subject; an ill-founded dread of the divine vengeance, occasioned by superstition, or false principles of religion, etc.
Among corporeal causes are blows, wounds, ulcers, bruises, or water he head ; Congestions of blood in the brain; phrensy, or inflammation of that part, from whatever accident; to sedentary a life (sometimes in their mothers basment o the internet); the taking of poisons possessed of narcotcs-:
powers; suppression of the proper or natural evacuations ( constipation), of cutaneous or other disorders ; sensual excesses (internt porn) ; schirrous or glandular obstructions of the mesentery, etc.—Madness is in certain families hereditary; and a slight degree of it is sometimes perceptible after the small-pox, intermittent, nervous, or other fevers.
SANKOFA- Was that the affliction you came down with after the first white woman you tried to fuck laughed in your face?
LMFAO @ Me laughing at that one as I wash down my first bottle of Goose @ LQ tonight.
Ok, that’s it. Enough of this descent into madness…
Jimmy, your act has reached it’s expiration date. Your are a loser, the deteriorating tone of your missives is proof of that. This is a site for people who desire to expand their viewpoints through intellegent, respectful conversation. You are like the current GOP; loud, rude, and ignorant. While there is nothing wrong with a little incivility, there must always be respect. And there lies my problem with you, Jimmy, you have no respect or anyone here. So when you respond in the only way you know how, there will be no response from me, I just had to get this off my chest. Enjoy your first 40 as you sit alone in your apartment. LOL!!!
I can’t believe you guys have wasted so much collective time on this idiot. I know, I know, it’s hard sometimes to not get sucked in. But man, you’ll never get the time back.
DES- Seems like people are mistakening the word “arrogance” and inserting “madness” because they’re not getting the desired response. Whatever. You don’t always get what you want in life, even on this sorority-like message board this place turns into when the “sisters” get their thongs in a bunch. You don’t get catered responses from me, kid. Just the truth, whether it fits your biased agenda or not.
And Lord knows there are far too many biased crybaby niggas on this board.
Dude seriously needs to be be banned for the above.
Jimmy-
Really, really really, you’re just a lying, ignorant asshole. You lied to me personally when you wrote emails telling me what “really” happened with Plax, when you didn’t know shit. You lied about knowing bouncers who continued to word at the LQ Club when I found out from a source at the club and one from the D.A.’s office that ALL the bouncers and staff that had anything at all to do with the incident were removed.
Then you recite ignorant and wholly euro-hispano racist history because you and soooo many Hispanic people I have met like you want to get on the “indigenous” tip, like that bullshit too many Mexicans spout about how Texas is “yours” and Arizona is “yours” and New Mexico and California are “yours” as if the Native Americans who lived there didn’t exist. Then when you and yours come up here in Spanish galleons as slaves just like we did, you act like you’re somehow superior to us just because your skin is lighter and White Western culture tells you what to think – and after centuries of psycho-trauma, just as with slaves brought from Africa, too many of you bitches believe the hype.
It’s really funny that you ID yourself as a “Nuyorcian” when people from Puerto Rico today call you that as a term of abject hate, as a way to disassociate themselves from you, to make sure everyone know what fake motherfuckers those of you who act like you you really are.
Finally, you and yours didn’t do shit to African or Black American culture; didn’t influence it in any meaningful way, haven’t impacted it in any meaningful way ——- and until you slide the fuck back and recognize the “tainos” REALLY are a mythical people because all they WERE was a mix of Andean South Americans and Maya people and because, unlike the people of the Andes and the Maya, the “tainos” no longer exist as anything other than a DNA shadow, you and those like you who try to claim a myth will always be the butt of jokes in every community from the academic community to the community of the educated on the streets.
The only sad thing is that because you fear being marginalized so much that you create a largely mythical ancestry, you can actually become dangerous. Why? When a people base their being on fear and it becomes part of their collective conscious they act out with the ego-memory of fear of being found out for the fakes that they are; and in your case, the fear is that almost all of what makes up you is Spanish and that all the other shit you say you are is as mythical as Greek gods.
And you want to claim some shit about black people in America like we didn’t derive it first.
Fool.
And to me? You’re just another fucked up punk hater trying to get your hand in my pocket.
Try somebody else you bitch-ass whole wheat cracker.
“Try somebody else you bitch-ass whole wheat cracker.”
LOLOLOL!!!!
Got Damn Dwil……………..blazed that fool Jimmy!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
daaaaaaaamn….bitch ass whole wheat cracker……daaaaaaaamn
Repressed anger? Check
Excessive focus on machismo and other peoples ‘manhood’? Check.
Continued use of homophobic slurs? Check.
Identity issues? Check.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: dude needs to come on out of the closet.
“Bitch-ass whole wheat cracker”
Classic.
And I repeat, Floyd Mayweather is still a business.